https://wiki.seasteading.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Vtoldude&feedformat=atomSeasteading - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T14:48:57ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.31.1https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Money&diff=3853Money2009-03-08T04:03:34Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>What can be used as money on a seastead?<br />
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National (fiat) currencies?<br />
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Private currencies backed by some resource (gold)?<br />
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Raw resources (gold or silver by weight)?<br />
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What practical alternatives are available today?<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_coin<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_investing_in_gold</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Money&diff=3852Money2009-03-08T03:10:31Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>What can be used as money on a seastead?<br />
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National (fiat) currencies?<br />
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Private currencies backed by some resource (gold)?<br />
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Raw resources (gold or silver by weight)?<br />
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What practical alternatives are available today?</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Money&diff=3851Money2009-03-08T03:10:00Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>What can be used as money on a seastead?<br />
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National (fiat) currencies?<br />
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Private currencies backed by some resource (gold)?<br />
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Raw resources (gold or silver by weight)?</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Money&diff=3850Money2009-03-08T03:09:42Z<p>Vtoldude: New page: What can be used as money on a seastead? National (fiat) currencies? Private currencies backed by some resource (gold)? Raw resources (gold or silver by weight)?</p>
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<div>What can be used as money on a seastead?<br />
National (fiat) currencies?<br />
Private currencies backed by some resource (gold)?<br />
Raw resources (gold or silver by weight)?</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Implosion.JPG&diff=3807File:Implosion.JPG2009-02-27T01:23:45Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div></div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Modular_Breakwater&diff=3622User:Vtoldude/Modular Breakwater2009-01-23T23:58:14Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Modular_breakwater1.jpg|500px]]<br />
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[[Image:Modular_breakwater2.jpg|500px]]<br />
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This should be somewhat self-explanatory. A number of these are placed in a circle to protect an area of ocean against waves. See Vince´s Tension Circle Marina for details: http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/User:Vincecate/Tension_circle_marina <br />
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The connection between segments function like a simple door hinge. You float two segments close together. Then connect the hinges in the order: middle, top, bottom. This is in order to line up the bottom hinge without seeing it (no divers required).<br />
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The wires that function as the "spokes" of the "wheel" are pre-connected to the segments, one on each side, top and bottom, respectively. The tension from the hub will thus pull the hinges tighter.<br />
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The "keel" is an attempt to be able to use one piece moulds in the construction of these things. This way you can just lift them out when they have cured. I am not sure how realistic this is.<br />
The rectangular space inside the breakwater can be used as real estate. Housing, commercial, storage or whatever. The top deck can be used as a walk- or driveway.<br />
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The rectangle is 5x3 meters on the outside. Total height excluding glass fence is 6,5m. Length is 20m.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Modular_Breakwater&diff=3621User:Vtoldude/Modular Breakwater2009-01-23T23:39:02Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Modular_breakwater1.jpg<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Modular_breakwater2.jpg<br />
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This should be somewhat self-explanatory. A number of these are placed in a circle to protect an area of ocean against waves. See Vince´s Tension Circle Marina for details: http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/User:Vincecate/Tension_circle_marina <br />
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The connection between segments function like a simple door hinge. You float two segments close together. Then connect the hinges in the order: middle, top, bottom. This is in order to line up the bottom hinge without seeing it (no divers required).<br />
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The wires that function as the "spokes" of the "wheel" are pre-connected to the segments, one on each side, top and bottom, respectively. The tension from the hub will thus pull the hinges tighter.<br />
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The "keel" is an attempt to be able to use one piece moulds in the construction of these things. This way you can just lift them out when they have cured. I am not sure how realistic this is.<br />
The rectangular space inside the breakwater can be used as real estate. Housing, commercial, storage or whatever. The top deck can be used as a walk- or driveway.<br />
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The rectangle is 5x3 meters on the outside. Total height excluding glass fence is 6,5m. Length is 20m.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Modular_Breakwater&diff=3620User:Vtoldude/Modular Breakwater2009-01-23T23:36:55Z<p>Vtoldude: New page: http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Modular_breakwater1.jpg http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Modular_breakwater2.jpg This should be somewhat self-explanatory. A numb...</p>
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<div>http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Modular_breakwater1.jpg<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Modular_breakwater2.jpg<br />
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This should be somewhat self-explanatory. A number of these are placed in a circle to protect an area of ocean against waves. See Vince´s Tension Circle Marina for details: http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/User:Vincecate/Tension_circle_marina <br />
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The connection between segments function like a simple door hinge. You float two segments close together. Then connect the hinges in the order: middle, top, bottom. This is in order to line up the bottom hinge without seeing it (no divers required).<br />
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The wires that function as the "spokes" of the "wheel" are pre-connected to the segments, one on each side, top and bottom, respectively. The tension from the hub will thus pull the hinges tighter.<br />
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The "keel" is an attempt to be able to use one piece moulds in the construction of these things. This way you can just lift them out when they have cured. I am not sure how realistic this is.<br />
The rectangular space inside the breakwater can be used as real estate. Housing, commercial, storage or whatever. The top deck can be used as a walk- or driveway.<br />
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The rectangle is 5x3x25 meters. Total height excluding glass fence is 6,5m. Length is 20m.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude&diff=3619User:Vtoldude2009-01-23T23:33:31Z<p>Vtoldude: New page: Hello world!</p>
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<div>Hello world!</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Modular_breakwater2.jpg&diff=3618File:Modular breakwater2.jpg2009-01-23T23:16:24Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div></div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Modular_spar_segment.jpg&diff=3609File:Modular spar segment.jpg2009-01-21T02:51:51Z<p>Vtoldude: 6x3m or so, for building spars</p>
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<div>6x3m or so, for building spars</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:WaterWalkerSparWithBuildingAndHeavePlates.jpg&diff=3607File:WaterWalkerSparWithBuildingAndHeavePlates.jpg2009-01-20T22:52:39Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>The trough is for collecting water to use for power generation.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Quarter_pipe_breakwater.jpg&diff=3344File:Quarter pipe breakwater.jpg2008-12-18T23:36:56Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div></div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Nuclear&diff=3129Talk:Nuclear2008-11-13T19:27:22Z<p>Vtoldude: /* Nuclear fuel */</p>
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<div>== Disadvantages ==<br />
Although nuclear power has a lot of advantages, we need to keep in mind that Seastead will have to be near existing countries, at least in the beginning. Countries probably don't mind a cruise ship kind of operation in their vincinity, but both governments and the public will mind a vessel carrying "scary stuff" and take appropriate action. Although nuclear options may be very cheap and eco-friendly, it is probably better suited for spaceships instead of humble seasteads.<br />
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There are many more ways to get energy, and Seastead is an extremely good place to experiment with alternative energy sources like [[Growing algae|algae]] since "land" can be made easy. To get things going, focussing on technology that is easy to obtain and to use is probably the best and only way to go.<br />
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-I don´t think anyone is seriously suggesting that we fire up a nuclear reactor in the San Fransisco Bay or close to any other countries. I strongly think it´s a realistic alternative for full size seasteads on the high seas however. After all, there are nuclear powerplants all over the world today, even in large vessels. It´s a proven technology that compares favorably against pretty much anything else. The biggest obstacle is political, and seeing as the whole point of seasteading is to get rid of political obstacles I´d say nuclear power fits like a glove.<br />
By the way this kind of discussion probably belongs on the talk page.<br />
-vtoldude<br />
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== Nuclear fuel ==<br />
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Do you think, that is possible just to buy nuclear fuel for such needs? AFAIK it was quite difficult for Iraq government to get nuclear fuel for their nuclear plaint..<br />
:That's one of the best reasons why nuclear fuel will almost certainly be useless. [[User:Joep|Joep]] 00:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Iraq was a horrible dictatorship with a history of invading other countries and using chemical weapons. And AFAIK they didn´t allow a whole lot of inspections from the IAEA. A seastead is as innocent as a newborn baby and could easily provide full access to inspectors. ;-)<br />
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::That is not to say that it will be easy to get hold of fuel without incurring the wrath of the powers that be, but that is no reason not to investigate the issue and try.--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 19:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Nuclear&diff=3121Nuclear2008-11-13T16:34:24Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>== Fission ==<br />
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Micro nuclear plants, like this one from Toshiba: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S Toshiba 10MW nuclear plant]<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor Pebble Bed Reactor], safer, simpler and more efficient type of fission reactor. At least one prototype currently operating.<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station Russian Floating Nuclear Reactors] "...On April 15, 2007 the construction of the first floating Nuclear Power Station, Academician Lomonosov, started at the Sevmash Submarine-Building Plant in Severodvinsk..." The Lomonosov will carry 2 modified KLT-40S nuclear reactors (ice breaker type). The vessel could provide up to 70 MW of electrical or 300 MW of heat energy, enough for a city with population of 200,000 people. It could also be modified as a desalination plant producing 240,000 cubic meters of fresh water a day.<br />
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[http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/08/how-long-can-uranium-last-for-nuclear.html Uranium extracted from seawater]<br />
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"...It now seems quite certain that uranium can be extracted from the ocean at well below $1000 per pound ($100-800/lb in recent analysis of Japan's extraction process) and there is even some optimism that it can become competitive at current market prices ($65/lb). It is clear, then, that uranium from seawater must be considered as a completely acceptable fuel for breeder reactors, contributing less than 1% to the cost of electricity. In terms of fuel cost per million BTU, even at $400/lb the uranium cost is only 1.1 cents.<br />
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Seawater contains 3.3×10–9 (3.3 parts per billion) of uranium, whence the 1.4×10**18 tonne2 of water in the oceans contains 4.6×10**9 tonne of uranium. The energy content of uranium burned in a breeder reactor is 1 MW day/g, or 1000 GW day/tonne; at 37% efficiency, readily achievable in a breeder reactor, this is 1.0 GWe yr/tonne (GWe = GW of electricity). All of the world’s present electrical usage, 2325 GWe [372 GWe of nuclear make up 16% of world electrical supply] , could therefore be supplied by the uranium in seawater for (4.6×10**9/2325) = 1.98 million years.<br />
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At ten times the power level, it would last 198,000 years and at one hundred times it would be 19,800 years.<br />
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Rivers bring 3.2×10**13 tonne/yr of water into the oceans, and their uranium content averages 1.0×10–9 (one part per billion), whence a total of 3.2×10**4 tonne/yr of uranium enter the oceans from this source.<br />
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We can withdraw 16 000 tonne/yr of uranium from seawater continuously for hundreds of millions of years. This is enough to produce 16 000 GWe or 480 quadrillion BTU per year, which is 6 times the world’s present electricity usage, and almost the world’s present total energy consumption..."<br />
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== Fusion ==<br />
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A couple of interesting Google Tech Talk videos of proposed ways of producing fusion power.<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement Electrostatic Inertial Confinement], Robert Bussard:<br />
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_plasma_focus Dense Plasma Focus], Eric Lerner:<br />
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760<br />
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{{Energy}}</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Transportation&diff=3120Transportation2008-11-13T16:10:24Z<p>Vtoldude: /* Air Transportation */</p>
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<div>'''To and from Seastead:'''<br />
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==Sea-Going==<br />
===Conventional Boats===<br />
Boats and launches, barges, workboats, sailboats<br />
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Solar Powered Boats<br />
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[http://www.solarnavigator.net/transatlantic_21.htm TRANSATLANTIC SUN 21 solar powered boat]<br />
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:"...A five-strong Swiss crew have sailed into history by completing the first solar-powered transatlantic crossing.<br />
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:The Sun21 catamaran arrived in Miami late on Thursday, 117 days after leaving Seville in southern Spain. The crew of four academics and one full-time sailor said they were trying to promote the "great potential" of solar power to combat climate change.<br />
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:A similar-sized boat would have used about 72 litres of diesel every 24 hours on the same voyage. After reaching Miami, crew member Dr Martin Vosseler told the BBC it was a thrilling experience. "The crossing itself, from Las Palmas to Martinique - 29 days of not seeing any land - that was fantastic. We had very much luck - no storms..."<br />
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[http://gaboats.com/construction/index.html Geodesic Airolite Boats]<br />
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:"...What is Geodesic Airolite Construction? It is a simple, inexpensive, low-tech, forgiving system utilizing some exotic materials. The sequence consists of building a simple rugged wood framework, braced with triangulated KEVLAR® roving strands. This tough basket-like frame is then covered with Dacron. This is a first cousin to sail cloth; except it heat shrinks. It is a super-weight, airplane wing covering type of fabric, used on crop dusters..."<br />
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[http://www.solarsailor.com/ Solar Sailor]<br />
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:"...Solar Sailor 'hybrid marine power' (HMP) and 'solar wing' technology is suitable for a wide range of applications from small-unmanned vessels to large tankers, including ferries, tourist cruisers and private yachts.<br />
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:Like hybrid cars, the HMP system combines the efficiency of electric drive with the power of conventional drives. The HMP system also adds renewable energy available particularly the sun and the wind via the 'solar wing' a single device, which harvests both sun and wind energy in a seaworthy manner at sea. Solar Sailor has won numerous awards for design and innovation including the 2001 Australian Design Award of the Year...."<br />
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[http://www.mwline.ch/en/bat/aquaC60/C60std.html Aquabus 60]<br />
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:"...The Aquabus C60 is the ideal partner for communities and operators of passenger and tourism exploitations.<br />
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:Equipped with two powerful and efficient electrical propulsions and with the most modern solar panels, this electrosolar catamaran navigates silently and emission free.<br />
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:Having the capacity of transporting safely 60 to 75 passengers (depending on the country), it is perfectly adapted to navigate at ease on lakes, rivers and sea as far as 36 km of the coastlines.<br />
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:Equipped with silent high performance engines, it is environmentally friendly and can navigate in protected zones, which are forbidden to the powered motor navigation.<br />
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:Its 60 m2 passengers deck allows it to be versatile depending on the users needs. Its principal options are seats, bar, water closet, hifi and any other furniture..."<br />
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===Hovercraft===<br />
Capable of moving relatively large loads (60-70 tonnes) relatively quickly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovercraft Hovercraft]<br />
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===Personal Submarines===<br />
Covert transportation? [http://www.psubs.org/ Submarine]<br />
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==Air Transportation==<br />
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All air transportation is highly regulated on land (not just UAVs). In an unregulated area there is a possibility of reducing the costs associated with this. In theory you wouldn´t need any pilot´s license, and your aircraft would not need to be certified or inspected. Flying is no joke though so pilots would do well to get training anyway and their passengers would have to judge the risks they are willing to take for themselves. But chances are this will work better than having the government centrally plan all these things.<br />
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Flying to shore (a nation state) you still might need these things, so perhaps these gains are only possible for inter-seastead travel.<br />
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===VTOL Aircraft===<br />
====Helicopters====<br />
[http://jesrad.free.fr/CAP437.pdf Document defining standards for helidecks], and [http://jesrad.free.fr/HelideckDesign.pdf guidelines for including an helideck on a marine structure].<br />
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====Tilt Wing Aircraft====<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell/Agusta_BA609 BA-609]<br />
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V-22 Osprey [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey]<br />
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===UAV - Unmanned Aerial Vehicle===<br />
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Over land [[UAVs]] are highly regulated and so not used much. But in the open ocean we would not have these regulations and might make good use of them for air cargo delivery. There would have to be at least one place that they could take off and land from. Most jobs will be delivering a package to a seastead. This could be done without landing on the seastead, just handing off the package. The seastead would have to have something to reduce the speed of the<br />
package without damaging it. This might just be a long rope with a hook hanging from a pole that was at an angle. The UAV would fly such that the hook grabbed a line to the package. Trains used to drop off and pickup mail without slowing down. We would be doing a similar thing from the air.<br />
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===Airships===<br />
====Rigid====<br />
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===Seaplanes===<br />
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===WIG===<br />
Wing in Ground Effect vehicles - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing-In-Ground_effect_vehicle WIG ]<br />
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{{Infrastructure}}</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2061User talk:Vincecate/Tension circle house2008-08-26T19:49:21Z<p>Vtoldude: /* Flexibility/Rigidity of plastic pipe */</p>
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<div>== Idea for 30 foot PVC model==<br />
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The wall does not really need to be a wall shape. Could be sections that were round like a pipe. In fact, I could make a large scale model using PVC pipe for the outside flotation. For 30 foot diameter probably use 16 sections of 5 foot pipe each. Pipe diameter is probably between 6 inches and 1 foot. Can use 22.5 degree joints to hold the 16 pipe sections together. Could make smaller one with 8 sections and 45 degree elbows. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 04:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Putting in Youtube videos==<br />
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Cool! I did not know how to do this. I have added the videos to my pages. I think we should remove that other page now. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 11:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ok, i'll remove it. It's a MediaWiki extension, it won't work on Wikipedia. [[User:Joep|Joep]] 11:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks much. Really makes the page better having the videos there. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hanging ==<br />
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If the walls were much higher (or when the cables do not start on top of the walls but from poles on top of the walls), you could hang the house, leaving some room for it to move (instead of being hold in place with tight cables like in the video). Would that add to stability? [[User:Joep|Joep]] 12:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Not sure on that. Another idea is to make a big dome from the wall going up to the center and the house inside the top part of the dome. Then we might just need cables around the wall and no other cables. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Boat for comparison ==<br />
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Hi Vince,<br />
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I looked at the slow motion video, and though the waves are relatively huge the house itself seems to move a lot. I was wondering if in a next video you could place a normal (scaled) boat next to the experiment for comparison? [[User:Joep|Joep]] 15:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With 1 foot waves I am simulating 25 foot waves for a full scale prototype. If I put a 1 foot toy boat it is sort of like a 25 foot boat in the real world. But a 25 foot boat should not be in 25 foot waves. I have been bringing a toy boat to the beach each day but really it would sink in these waves so I either need to find another toy boat or put some foam inside it before doing this. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 02:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Influence by waves ==<br />
I think the amount of movement up and down by the circle is influenced by the shape (profile) of the circle. A wide and flat circle (your PVC model) will follow the waves very quickly. A high and narrow circle (your wooden model) will not be as influenced by waves.<br />
The high wall might be more sensitive to being pushed sideways by waves though. And it will provide a better breakwater.--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 15:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: A good point. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 16:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Flexibility/Rigidity of plastic pipe==<br />
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The plastic pipe seems rather too flexible to be able to span any greater distance. I think the circle needs to be quite rigid.--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 15:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: This is a good concern. A larger diameter pipe is less flexible. If I bind 7 large pipes together (maybe 1 foot diameter each), it will be even stiffer. For some diameter tension circle it seems like there will be some size pipes where a group of them will be stiff enough to make it work. I could also put more and more strings so that the pipe needed to be stiff over a short distance. So I think it can be made to work. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 16:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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If the pipes flex and bend with the waves there might be fatigue problems in the long run. They might still be good for experimentation though.--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 19:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2051User talk:Vincecate/Tension circle house2008-08-26T15:45:47Z<p>Vtoldude: /* Boat for comparison */</p>
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<div>== Idea for 30 foot PVC model==<br />
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The wall does not really need to be a wall shape. Could be sections that were round like a pipe. In fact, I could make a large scale model using PVC pipe for the outside flotation. For 30 foot diameter probably use 16 sections of 5 foot pipe each. Pipe diameter is probably between 6 inches and 1 foot. Can use 22.5 degree joints to hold the 16 pipe sections together. Could make smaller one with 8 sections and 45 degree elbows. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 04:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Putting in Youtube videos==<br />
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Cool! I did not know how to do this. I have added the videos to my pages. I think we should remove that other page now. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 11:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ok, i'll remove it. It's a MediaWiki extension, it won't work on Wikipedia. [[User:Joep|Joep]] 11:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks much. Really makes the page better having the videos there. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hanging ==<br />
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If the walls were much higher (or when the cables do not start on top of the walls but from poles on top of the walls), you could hang the house, leaving some room for it to move (instead of being hold in place with tight cables like in the video). Would that add to stability? [[User:Joep|Joep]] 12:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Not sure on that. Another idea is to make a big dome from the wall going up to the center and the house inside the top part of the dome. Then we might just need cables around the wall and no other cables. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Boat for comparison ==<br />
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Hi Vince,<br />
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I looked at the slow motion video, and though the waves are relatively huge the house itself seems to move a lot. I was wondering if in a next video you could place a normal (scaled) boat next to the experiment for comparison? [[User:Joep|Joep]] 15:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With 1 foot waves I am simulating 25 foot waves for a full scale prototype. If I put a 1 foot toy boat it is sort of like a 25 foot boat in the real world. But a 25 foot boat should not be in 25 foot waves. I have been bringing a toy boat to the beach each day but really it would sink in these waves so I either need to find another toy boat or put some foam inside it before doing this. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 02:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Influence by waves ==<br />
I think the amount of movement up and down by the circle is influenced by the shape (profile) of the circle. A wide and flat circle (your PVC model) will follow the waves very quickly. A high and narrow circle (your wooden model) will not be as influenced by waves.<br />
The high wall might be more sensitive to being pushed sideways by waves though. And it will provide a better breakwater.--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 15:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The plastic pipe seems rather too flexible to be able to span any greater distance. I think the circle needs to be quite rigid.--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 15:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2050User talk:Vincecate/Tension circle house2008-08-26T15:42:58Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>== Idea for 30 foot PVC model==<br />
<br />
The wall does not really need to be a wall shape. Could be sections that were round like a pipe. In fact, I could make a large scale model using PVC pipe for the outside flotation. For 30 foot diameter probably use 16 sections of 5 foot pipe each. Pipe diameter is probably between 6 inches and 1 foot. Can use 22.5 degree joints to hold the 16 pipe sections together. Could make smaller one with 8 sections and 45 degree elbows. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 04:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Putting in Youtube videos==<br />
<br />
Cool! I did not know how to do this. I have added the videos to my pages. I think we should remove that other page now. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 11:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ok, i'll remove it. It's a MediaWiki extension, it won't work on Wikipedia. [[User:Joep|Joep]] 11:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks much. Really makes the page better having the videos there. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Hanging ==<br />
<br />
If the walls were much higher (or when the cables do not start on top of the walls but from poles on top of the walls), you could hang the house, leaving some room for it to move (instead of being hold in place with tight cables like in the video). Would that add to stability? [[User:Joep|Joep]] 12:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Not sure on that. Another idea is to make a big dome from the wall going up to the center and the house inside the top part of the dome. Then we might just need cables around the wall and no other cables. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Boat for comparison ==<br />
<br />
Hi Vince,<br />
<br />
I looked at the slow motion video, and though the waves are relatively huge the house itself seems to move a lot. I was wondering if in a next video you could place a normal (scaled) boat next to the experiment for comparison? [[User:Joep|Joep]] 15:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
With 1 foot waves I am simulating 25 foot waves for a full scale prototype. If I put a 1 foot toy boat it is sort of like a 25 foot boat in the real world. But a 25 foot boat should not be in 25 foot waves. I have been bringing a toy boat to the beach each day but really it would sink in these waves so I either need to find another toy boat or put some foam inside it before doing this. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 02:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I think the amount of movement up and down by the circle is influenced by the shape (profile) of the circle. A wide and flat circle (your PVC model) will follow the waves very quickly. A high and narrow circle (your wooden model) will not be as influenced by waves.<br />
The high wall might be more sensitive to being pushed sideways by waves though. And it will provide a better breakwater.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/BallHouse&diff=1413User talk:Vincecate/BallHouse2008-07-10T19:10:51Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Truth is I found a 36 cm (14.2 inch) buoy on the beach that is just perfect for modeling this at 1/25th scale, so I will have to model it. And since I will be testing a model of this design I decided to write it up to match the model. :-) The idea is growing on me the longer I think about it. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 03:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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How about making the sphere by spraying fibrous concrete (shotcrete) on an inflated balloon?--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 19:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/BallHouse&diff=1412User talk:Vincecate/BallHouse2008-07-10T19:10:26Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Truth is I found a 36 cm (14.2 inch) buoy on the beach that is just perfect for modeling this at 1/25th scale, so I will have to model it. And since I will be testing a model of this design I decided to write it up to match the model. :-) The idea is growing on me the longer I think about it. [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 03:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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How about making the sphere by spraying fibrous concrete (shotcrete) on an inflated balloon?</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1153User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:58:49Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
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The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
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This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
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I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.<br />
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[[Image:Spar_forest.jpg]]<br />
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[[Image:Spar_forest_2.jpg]]<br />
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[[Image:Spar_forest_3.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 02:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1152User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:57:33Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
<br />
The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
<br />
This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
<br />
I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest_2.jpg<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest_3.jpg<br />
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[[Image:Spar_forest.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 02:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1151User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:56:25Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
<br />
The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
<br />
This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
<br />
I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.<br />
<br />
http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest.jpg<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest_2.jpg<br />
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http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest_3.jpg<br />
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--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 02:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1150User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:56:07Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
<br />
The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
<br />
This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
<br />
I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.<br />
<br />
http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest.jpg<br />
http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest_2.jpg<br />
http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Image:Spar_forest_3.jpg<br />
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--[[User:Vtoldude|Vtoldude]] 02:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1149User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:50:03Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1148User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:49:45Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
<br />
The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
<br />
This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
<br />
I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Spar_forest_3.jpg&diff=1147File:Spar forest 3.jpg2008-06-22T02:47:47Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div></div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Spar_forest_2.jpg&diff=1146File:Spar forest 2.jpg2008-06-22T02:47:34Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div></div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Spar_forest.jpg&diff=1145File:Spar forest.jpg2008-06-22T02:46:50Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div></div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User:Vtoldude/Spar_Forest&diff=1144User:Vtoldude/Spar Forest2008-06-22T02:42:17Z<p>Vtoldude: New page: Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars. The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves. This is not re...</p>
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<div>Proposal for a community type gathering of simple cylindrical spars.<br />
The walkways would have to act as flexible shock absorber type connectors to take punishment from waves.<br />
This is not really thought through all that much, I´m trying to learn Sketchup, but it might be good for some discussion or spark some ideas.<br />
I stole the helicopter and the boat from the Sketchup library.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=File:Bigbox.PNG&diff=136File:Bigbox.PNG2008-05-28T12:18:22Z<p>Vtoldude: idea for big flat free-floating concrete box seastead</p>
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<div>idea for big flat free-floating concrete box seastead</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Food&diff=100Food2008-05-14T19:26:18Z<p>Vtoldude: </p>
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<div>[[Insects]]<br />
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Regular food. What everyone else around the world eats - imported from wherever it is produced.</div>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Nuclear&diff=86Nuclear2008-05-08T20:44:39Z<p>Vtoldude: /* Disadvantages */</p>
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<div>Micro nuclear plants, like this one from Toshiba: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S Toshiba 10MW nuclear plant]<br />
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor Pebble Bed Reactor], safer, simpler and more efficient type of fission reactor. At least one prototype currently operating.<br />
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== Disadvantages ==<br />
Although nuclear power has a lot of advantages, we need to keep in mind that Seastead will have to be near existing countries, at least in the beginning. Countries probably don't mind a cruise ship kind of operation in their vincinity, but both governments and the public will mind a vessel carrying "scary stuff" and take appropriate action. Although nuclear options may be very cheap and eco-friendly, it is probably better suited for spaceships instead of humble seasteads.<br />
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There are many more ways to get energy, and Seastead is an extremely good place to experiment with alternative energy sources like [[Growing algae|algae]] since "land" can be made easy. To get things going, focussing on technology that is easy to obtain and to use is probably the best and only way to go.<br />
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-I don´t think anyone is seriously suggesting that we fire up a nuclear reactor in the San Fransisco Bay or close to any other countries. I strongly think it´s a realistic alternative for full size seasteads on the high seas however. After all, there are nuclear powerplants all over the world today, even in large vessels. It´s a proven technology that compares favorably against pretty much anything else. The biggest obstacle is political, and seeing as the whole point of seasteading is to get rid of political obstacles I´d say nuclear power fits like a glove.<br />
By the way this kind of discussion probably belongs on the talk page.<br />
-vtoldude</div>Vtoldude