https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Defense - Revision history2024-03-29T01:04:00ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.31.1https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=6989&oldid=prev12B10B6: /* Lethal Weapon Considerationa */2015-01-12T08:01:24Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Lethal Weapon Considerationa</span></span></p>
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</table>12B10B6https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=6988&oldid=prev12B10B6: /* Lethal Weapon Considerationa */ new section2015-01-12T08:00:21Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Lethal Weapon Considerationa: </span> new section</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Ah yes, the UN convention on the High Seas is very explicit in the matter[http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/8_1_1958_high_seas.pdf]. Start at Article 14 and read away. The only problem lies in the nature of statehood, as considered by the UN and signatories to the aforementioned convention. This is unlikely to be able to be circumvented through the use of flags of convenience due to Article 21 which states that a ship has to be explicitly authorised by it's Flag State before it can effect piracy-related arrests or seizures. --[[User:Sconzey|Sconzey]] 16:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Ah yes, the UN convention on the High Seas is very explicit in the matter[http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/8_1_1958_high_seas.pdf]. Start at Article 14 and read away. The only problem lies in the nature of statehood, as considered by the UN and signatories to the aforementioned convention. This is unlikely to be able to be circumvented through the use of flags of convenience due to Article 21 which states that a ship has to be explicitly authorised by it's Flag State before it can effect piracy-related arrests or seizures. --[[User:Sconzey|Sconzey]] 16:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>12B10B6https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=3780&oldid=prevSconzey: /* Bad wiki page. */ added link to UN convention on the high seas2009-02-23T16:09:09Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Bad wiki page.: </span> added link to UN convention on the high seas</span></p>
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</table>Sconzeyhttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=3779&oldid=prevSconzey: /* Bad wiki page. */ discussed law of piracy2009-02-23T15:59:23Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Bad wiki page.: </span> discussed law of piracy</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Defense is not a major thing being discussed in the community right now, but of course it is of major importance so any information is more than welcome. I'd say there are two or three things we'd need defense against: people on Seasteads (thieves, hijackers, etc), pirates and possibly governments (against the latter, IMHO any weapon would fail except for public opinion). These would make nice seperate articles I think. For none of them I can find a lot of information on the Internet but there are lots of questions to be answered, especially in the legal area. What kind of security measures are taken on cruiseships? Does US or Panamese law allow security to carry a gun? What rights do stowaways have? Can you just shoot pirates? I'd love to see someone answering questions like these. [[User:Joep|Joep]] 03:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Defense is not a major thing being discussed in the community right now, but of course it is of major importance so any information is more than welcome. I'd say there are two or three things we'd need defense against: people on Seasteads (thieves, hijackers, etc), pirates and possibly governments (against the latter, IMHO any weapon would fail except for public opinion). These would make nice seperate articles I think. For none of them I can find a lot of information on the Internet but there are lots of questions to be answered, especially in the legal area. What kind of security measures are taken on cruiseships? Does US or Panamese law allow security to carry a gun? What rights do stowaways have? Can you just shoot pirates? I'd love to see someone answering questions like these. [[User:Joep|Joep]] 03:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Sconzeyhttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=3737&oldid=prevJoep: /* Bad wiki page. */2009-02-17T03:24:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Bad wiki page.</span></span></p>
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</table>Joephttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=3733&oldid=prevSconzey: discussed the "bad wiki page" idea2009-02-17T02:11:41Z<p>discussed the "bad wiki page" idea</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I concurr to an extent. I would argue that for seasteading to eventually produce viable independent micro-nations, methods for enforcing property rights must be discussed. However, I would argue that there's far too much in this article, and a lot of it is very specific. I would suggest the creation of a Defense category, that the Defense article summarise the different types of threats seasteads may face and a general discussion of the issues. Discussion of specific threats and specific solutions be moved to separate articles. There's a lot of work here, but it's important because unless seasteads can have ownership enforced, they can never be commercially viable. --[[User:Sconzey|Sconzey]] 02:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Sconzeyhttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=1446&oldid=prevNoDachi: /* Bad wiki page. */ new section2008-07-15T03:41:09Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Bad wiki page.: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>NoDachihttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=1445&oldid=prevNoDachi: /* Edited link. */ new section2008-07-15T03:38:19Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Edited link.: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>NoDachihttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense&diff=83&oldid=prev71.158.243.198 at 19:48, 6 May 20082008-05-06T19:48:50Z<p></p>
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