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[[Category:TensionCircle]]
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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* Tension members could be plastic rope or steel cable (note they are not in drawing above)
 
* Tension members could be plastic rope or steel cable (note they are not in drawing above)
 
* Inside of main column can be used for storage or general living space
 
* Inside of main column can be used for storage or general living space
 
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* Would use [[User:Vincecate/KiteAndSeaAnchor|kite and sea anchor]] for movement on [[User:Vincecate/Migration|migration]]
 
 
== Mobility to reduce maximum wave height ==
 
 
 
Imagine we are using kites to move in a big circle around the Sargasso Sea each year.  I am thinking Anguilla, Bermuda, Azores, back to Anguilla.  We could time it so that we were in the North-Eastern half of this loop to avoid the hurricane season in the South-West and then in the South-Western half of the loop to avoid the cold stormy season in the North-Atlantic.    With computers controlling the kites and sea anchors I think we can move at the right speed to make this happen.  I think if we checked historical information that doing this you would never have had to face even a 30 foot wave in the last 100+ years.
 
 
 
This type of migration keeps the house in a comfortable climate all year.  Heating or air-conditioning may not even be necessary.  In any case it reduces the power requirements.
 
 
 
A related idea is that even slow movement can probably get out of the way of a hurricane, even if you start in the path of one.  These days you can get more than 4 days warning for a hurricane.  If you can move 2+ MPH then in 4 days you can move over 200 miles.  This should be enough to reduce the maximum wave to less than 30 feet.
 
 
 
[[Image:MigratoryPath.jpg]]
 
 
 
Would also mean that at 3 times during the year shopping would be easy.  Could shop in the Caribbean, Bermuda, and the Azores.
 
 
 
There is a bit more on this in a [http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/engineering/structure-designs/using-mobility-reduce-maximum-wave-design-parameter  thread on the forum].
 
  
 
== Energy storage ==
 
== Energy storage ==
  
If the outer circle were made from a large pipe, maybe [http://www.vitaneedle.com/pages/smls_pipe.htm 36-inch sched-40 stainless steel], it could be be used for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAES compressed air energy storage].  This would store plenty of energy for the average family.  Could even be used to power motors for maneuvering in a port.  But for extra safety it is nice to have the outer ring filled with foam.  Might have the column below the house be a big pipe that was also used for compressed air.
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If the outer circle were made from a large pipe, maybe [http://www.vitaneedle.com/pages/smls_pipe.htm 36-inch sched-40 stainless steel], it could be be used for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAES compressed air energy storage].  This would store plenty of energy for the average family.  Could even be used to power motors for maneuvering in a port.  But for extra safety it is nice to have the outer ring filled with foam.  Might have the column below the house be a big pipe that was used for compressed air.
  
 
== Requirements Analysis ==
 
== Requirements Analysis ==
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* Modular
 
* Modular
** Can make individual family sized units.  Could have cable under a line of these so they floated together if you connected a sea anchor at one and and a large kite at the other.
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** Can make individual family sized units.  Could have cable under a line of these so they floated together if you connected a sea anchor at one end and a large kite at the other.
  
 
* Cargo  
 
* Cargo  
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* Draft
 
* Draft
 
** Very shallow draft.
 
** Very shallow draft.
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==Video of 5-foot PVC model==
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First two are slowed down by a factor of 4 (should be 5 but don't see how to do that in Windows Movie Maker):
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<youtube v="oOYGjGbfmZI" />
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<youtube v="D7ZAeB2lJas" />
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This is small waves.  The water stays very still in the container even though the whole thing is tipping because the movement and tipping compensate each other just like they do for some water in the wave.  These are about 3 inch waves which is simulating about 6 foot waves.
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<youtube v="5meYHNUJtn4" />
  
 
==Videos of 9-foot model tests==
 
==Videos of 9-foot model tests==
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<youtube v="omoaB5wLz6Y" />
 
<youtube v="omoaB5wLz6Y" />
  
If the real full scale ring was 144 feet across, it would be 16 times bigger than this model.  The rules for scaling models state that is time faster in the model by the square-root of the scaling factor.  So I have slowed down this video by a factor of 4 to see the time to move back and forth when a big wave comes.  The 1 foot walk becomes a 16 foot wall, with 8 feet above water and 8 feet below in the full scale prototype.
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If the real full scale ring was 144 feet across, it would be 16 times bigger than this model.  The rules for scaling models state that time is faster in the model by the square-root of the scaling factor.  So I have slowed down this video by a factor of 4 to see the time to move back and forth when a big wave comes.  The 1 foot wall becomes a 16 foot wall, with 8 feet above water and 8 feet below in the full scale prototype.
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==Aquaculture==
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You could have net under the whole structure, attached to the outer circle, to make a place for aquaculture.  Fresh water fish farms use automatic feeders where the fish bump something and then get a piece of food.  With these no food is wasted.  Don't know if salt water farms use these but I expect they could. 
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One possible problem is that moving through the water would be harder with a big net underwater.
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==Future Models==
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I would like to build a model that was large enough for two people to float around in and
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then have a kite pull me and someone else [http://online.offshore.com.ai/balseros/ downwind alongside Anguilla].
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Some kind of larger pipe for the outer circle seems like the way to go for this.  Probably this is
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in the 6-inch to 1 foot diameter range with the whole circle like 30 to 50 feet across.  Some surplus metal
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pipe might be welded together.  But another way is some HDPE [http://plasticpipe.org/ large flexible plastic pipe] which there is [http://hdpe.com/Excess-Inventory.shtml excess inventory specials].  This pipe comes in colors like blue, orange, and black.
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For this kind of pipe a 1 foot diameter pipe can be bent with a 20 foot radius, so I could make a 40 foot circle.
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The two ends are then heated and fused together.  It is a relatively inexpensive type of pipe and it does not take any fittings.  So the overall costs would be low.  For safety it might be good to have 3 or 7 smaller pipes bound together.  Or the pipe could be filled with foam.  Or both.
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[[Image:hdpepipe.jpg]]
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The big problem for playing with a large model is getting it back upwind after ridding it down.  There is the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWFS2fcX9E snake mode] where we open up the circle into a line and then easily tow it back.  There is a way to put a flange on the ends so that I could bolt and unbolt it.  Indusa Inc in San Juan (200 miles from Anguilla) 787 723 3450 Danny Moldenato has some pipe and can order more.  An 8-inch pipe rated for 160 PSI is $25.26/foot in San Juan.  They can put flanges on the ends, getting a price quote for that.  A 12 inch pipe rated 80 PSI is $19.50/foot in US (don't know shipping yet).  They come in 40 foot pieces, so I  might get 4 pieces.  Shipping to Anguilla should be reasonable. 
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Another interesting possibility is to have some kind of inflatable tube.  Then we could just deflate it to pack it up and go home. So this would be a really nice way to go if it could be affordable. Not sure of a reasonable source for this though.  Might be able to use parts from a bunch of inflatable kayaks/rafts.  Some seem to have a separate chamber for a nearly straight piece on the left and right sides.  So if we wanted an 8 sided model we might have to buy 4 rafts.  Maybe.
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Another possibility is to get a long piece of 4-inch pipe and make 7 circles with this and bind these loops together with rope.  Then when it was time to go home I could undo the ropes, coil up the pipe, tie it, load it onto a crane-truck, and go home.  Could just have a cap on each end of this long pipe.  It is almost like a big stiff garden hose really.
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Pipes 6-inch diameter and smaller are sold in coils, 8-inches and larger by 40 foot segments.  There is 80 PSI 6-inch pipe for $6/foot in 400 foot coils.  This 400 feet is enough for 3 loops on a 42 foot diameter circle.  Total buoyancy around 4700 lbs for $2,400.  For just two guys, 3 loops on a 20 foot diameter circle should be fine, so maybe $1,200 is enough.
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If I make 2 loops from a 400 foot coil then this is about 64 feet diameter.  This way it is $1,200 per loop so 7 loops (3.5 coils) would be $8,400.  Total buoyancy 16,450 lbs.  With 5,000 lbs we should be able to make a small living space.  And 64 feet is probably
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wide enough for a tourist to feel comfortable in the normal waves off the [[User:Vincecate/FloatingVilla#Location|protected/downwind/North side of Anguilla]].
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There is
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[http://pipefusion.com special equipment for pipe fusion] with the stuff for 4-inch pipe costing $1,455 for a 4-inch fusion kit, heater alone is $476.  Larger pipe stuff seems to be more like $10,000.  Some [http://www.ritmoamerica.com/main.htm other fusion equipment] might be cheaper.
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If I used 200 feet for the 2 person test, I could use that same pipe as part of a tourist sized one later.  So the $1,200 would not be wasted.  We could have the upper cables attach to the platform, so that it was held level by the cables.  Then the central pillar could just be an aluminum pipe or aluminum beam with a ball-joint in the center of the platform.  It seems like $20,000 to $60,000 we could make something that is big enough for people to sleep on (maybe target student market).  Then I could anchor it off Anguilla and [[User:Vincecate/FloatingVilla|try to rent it out like a villa]] and maybe make money.  If it rented for $500/week it could be cheap compared to hotels and really cheap compared to boats.  Could probably get $1,000/week.  If I could get enough commitments ahead of time, this could be a very reasonable business.  Put your name here if you would rent a week.  1/2 :-)
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==Other drawings==
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[[Image:Wavebreakhouse.jpg]]
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Above was my first drawing in sketchup.
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[[Image:Vwb2.jpg]]
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This was an artist impression but not what I had in mind.

Latest revision as of 01:48, 16 September 2008

House-wavebreak3.resized.jpg

Description

The idea is to use a tension circle to hold a house up. Having the flotation very wide makes it stable. The house does not need to be so far above the waves because it is floating up with the large waves. Does not need to go deep into the water because stability comes from the great width.

Detail

  • Material issues - concrete, foam inside wall. Since it does not go far below the water foam and concrete should be ok. With foam cracks in the concrete will not be fatal.
  • Tension members could be plastic rope or steel cable (note they are not in drawing above)
  • Inside of main column can be used for storage or general living space
  • Would use kite and sea anchor for movement on migration

Energy storage

If the outer circle were made from a large pipe, maybe 36-inch sched-40 stainless steel, it could be be used for compressed air energy storage. This would store plenty of energy for the average family. Could even be used to power motors for maneuvering in a port. But for extra safety it is nice to have the outer ring filled with foam. Might have the column below the house be a big pipe that was used for compressed air.

Requirements Analysis

  • Safety
    • It is very wide compared to boats and so should be very stable
    • Wall is filled with foam so essentially unsinkable
    • No active ballast controls so no chance of that going wrong
  • Comfort
    • Should have a gentle motion on normal days but significant response to large waves.
  • Cost
    • This should be one of the cheapest designs. It's very simple. Although it is as wide as a large cruise ship, most of the area is just cables over open space.
  • Pretty
    • Looks nice. Could cover over wires and put down grass so you had a real floating island. Could be very pretty.
  • Modular
    • Can make individual family sized units. Could have cable under a line of these so they floated together if you connected a sea anchor at one end and a large kite at the other.
  • Cargo
    • Since it floats up and down with waves like a boat, should be reasonable to dock a boat next to it. Probably have a small dock mounted on the wall so it could float up and down a bit relative to the wall. Need a walkway from house to where boat will dock.


  • Free Floating
    • Yes, could anchor also.
  • Scalable
    • Scales up or down in size (height, diameter).
  • Standards
  • Mobile
    • Could lift it up and put in on a barge for long distance transport. Would need something under the wall that was the height that the center column goes below the wall (maybe a couple containers stacked up). Could also use a floating dry dock for transport. For short distance slow travel it could be moved but use a lot of energy due to high drag shape.
  • Draft
    • Very shallow draft.

Video of 5-foot PVC model

First two are slowed down by a factor of 4 (should be 5 but don't see how to do that in Windows Movie Maker): <youtube v="oOYGjGbfmZI" />


<youtube v="D7ZAeB2lJas" />

This is small waves. The water stays very still in the container even though the whole thing is tipping because the movement and tipping compensate each other just like they do for some water in the wave. These are about 3 inch waves which is simulating about 6 foot waves.

<youtube v="5meYHNUJtn4" />

Videos of 9-foot model tests

<youtube v="oLKEpt2wAS0" /> Initial launch.

<youtube v="HxUszZyNgXs" /> Compare the stability of the central PVC pipe in the model (where a house would be in the full sized version) to the stability of the larger and far more expensive real boat in the background.


<youtube v="omoaB5wLz6Y" />

If the real full scale ring was 144 feet across, it would be 16 times bigger than this model. The rules for scaling models state that time is faster in the model by the square-root of the scaling factor. So I have slowed down this video by a factor of 4 to see the time to move back and forth when a big wave comes. The 1 foot wall becomes a 16 foot wall, with 8 feet above water and 8 feet below in the full scale prototype.

Aquaculture

You could have net under the whole structure, attached to the outer circle, to make a place for aquaculture. Fresh water fish farms use automatic feeders where the fish bump something and then get a piece of food. With these no food is wasted. Don't know if salt water farms use these but I expect they could.

One possible problem is that moving through the water would be harder with a big net underwater.

Future Models

I would like to build a model that was large enough for two people to float around in and then have a kite pull me and someone else downwind alongside Anguilla. Some kind of larger pipe for the outer circle seems like the way to go for this. Probably this is in the 6-inch to 1 foot diameter range with the whole circle like 30 to 50 feet across. Some surplus metal pipe might be welded together. But another way is some HDPE large flexible plastic pipe which there is excess inventory specials. This pipe comes in colors like blue, orange, and black. For this kind of pipe a 1 foot diameter pipe can be bent with a 20 foot radius, so I could make a 40 foot circle. The two ends are then heated and fused together. It is a relatively inexpensive type of pipe and it does not take any fittings. So the overall costs would be low. For safety it might be good to have 3 or 7 smaller pipes bound together. Or the pipe could be filled with foam. Or both.


Hdpepipe.jpg

The big problem for playing with a large model is getting it back upwind after ridding it down. There is the snake mode where we open up the circle into a line and then easily tow it back. There is a way to put a flange on the ends so that I could bolt and unbolt it. Indusa Inc in San Juan (200 miles from Anguilla) 787 723 3450 Danny Moldenato has some pipe and can order more. An 8-inch pipe rated for 160 PSI is $25.26/foot in San Juan. They can put flanges on the ends, getting a price quote for that. A 12 inch pipe rated 80 PSI is $19.50/foot in US (don't know shipping yet). They come in 40 foot pieces, so I might get 4 pieces. Shipping to Anguilla should be reasonable.

Another interesting possibility is to have some kind of inflatable tube. Then we could just deflate it to pack it up and go home. So this would be a really nice way to go if it could be affordable. Not sure of a reasonable source for this though. Might be able to use parts from a bunch of inflatable kayaks/rafts. Some seem to have a separate chamber for a nearly straight piece on the left and right sides. So if we wanted an 8 sided model we might have to buy 4 rafts. Maybe.

Another possibility is to get a long piece of 4-inch pipe and make 7 circles with this and bind these loops together with rope. Then when it was time to go home I could undo the ropes, coil up the pipe, tie it, load it onto a crane-truck, and go home. Could just have a cap on each end of this long pipe. It is almost like a big stiff garden hose really.

Pipes 6-inch diameter and smaller are sold in coils, 8-inches and larger by 40 foot segments. There is 80 PSI 6-inch pipe for $6/foot in 400 foot coils. This 400 feet is enough for 3 loops on a 42 foot diameter circle. Total buoyancy around 4700 lbs for $2,400. For just two guys, 3 loops on a 20 foot diameter circle should be fine, so maybe $1,200 is enough.

If I make 2 loops from a 400 foot coil then this is about 64 feet diameter. This way it is $1,200 per loop so 7 loops (3.5 coils) would be $8,400. Total buoyancy 16,450 lbs. With 5,000 lbs we should be able to make a small living space. And 64 feet is probably wide enough for a tourist to feel comfortable in the normal waves off the protected/downwind/North side of Anguilla.

There is special equipment for pipe fusion with the stuff for 4-inch pipe costing $1,455 for a 4-inch fusion kit, heater alone is $476. Larger pipe stuff seems to be more like $10,000. Some other fusion equipment might be cheaper.


If I used 200 feet for the 2 person test, I could use that same pipe as part of a tourist sized one later. So the $1,200 would not be wasted. We could have the upper cables attach to the platform, so that it was held level by the cables. Then the central pillar could just be an aluminum pipe or aluminum beam with a ball-joint in the center of the platform. It seems like $20,000 to $60,000 we could make something that is big enough for people to sleep on (maybe target student market). Then I could anchor it off Anguilla and try to rent it out like a villa and maybe make money. If it rented for $500/week it could be cheap compared to hotels and really cheap compared to boats. Could probably get $1,000/week. If I could get enough commitments ahead of time, this could be a very reasonable business. Put your name here if you would rent a week. 1/2 :-)

Other drawings

Wavebreakhouse.jpg

Above was my first drawing in sketchup.

Vwb2.jpg

This was an artist impression but not what I had in mind.