https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&feed=atom&action=historyUser talk:Vincecate/Tension circle house - Revision history2024-03-28T13:49:40ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.31.1https://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2084&oldid=prevVincecate: /* Flexibility/Rigidity of plastic pipe */2008-08-28T11:45:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Flexibility/Rigidity of plastic pipe</span></span></p>
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</table>Vincecatehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2061&oldid=prevVtoldude: /* Flexibility/Rigidity of plastic pipe */2008-08-26T19:49:21Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Flexibility/Rigidity of plastic pipe</span></span></p>
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</table>Vincecatehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2051&oldid=prevVtoldude: /* Boat for comparison */2008-08-26T15:45:47Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Boat for comparison</span></span></p>
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</table>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=2050&oldid=prevVtoldude at 15:42, 26 August 20082008-08-26T15:42:58Z<p></p>
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</table>Vtoldudehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=1497&oldid=prevVincecate: /* Boat for comparison */2008-07-19T02:58:38Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Boat for comparison</span></span></p>
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</table>Vincecatehttps://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Vincecate/Tension_circle_house&diff=1492&oldid=prevJoep: /* Boat for comparison */ new section2008-07-17T15:35:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Boat for comparison: </span> new section</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Not sure on that.  Another idea is to make a big dome from the wall going up to the center and the house inside the top part of the dome.  Then we  might just need cables around the wall and no other cables.  [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Not sure on that.  Another idea is to make a big dome from the wall going up to the center and the house inside the top part of the dome.  Then we  might just need cables around the wall and no other cables.  [[User:Vincecate|Vincecate]] 13:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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