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| − | + | At the slow speeds most expect seasteads to go at [[PropellerEfficiency|propeller efficiency issues]] will require large slow propellers. | |
| − | + | == Mixers == | |
| − | + | Water treatment mixers or agitators could be used as thrusters. A [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=(low-speed+OR+%22high+efficiency%22)+submersible+(mixer+OR+agitator)&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=(low-speed+OR+%22high+efficiency%22)+submersible+(mixer+OR+agitator)&gs_rfai=&fp=529bfe438f6cde0e google search for mixers]. | |
| − | ==Flygt USA== | + | On [http://www.njbeite.com/en/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=3 1.5 kw a 1 meter propeller gets 1780 lbs thrust]. |
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| + | ===Mixers used in mobile aquaculture experiment=== | ||
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| + | Cliff Goudey used some [http://www.flygtus.com/116191.asp slow speed mixers] to make a [http://seagrant.mit.edu/news/press_releases.php?ID=54 self propelled aquaculture cage] which was tested near Puerto Rico. Some nice [http://seagrant.mit.edu/images/news/culebra/imageviewer.php video of the propellers on the cage]. These mixers can produce thrust of 3.4 kN/760 lbs from power input of 4.6 kW/6.2 hp. With two of these mounted in fixed positions he was able to control the 62 foot diameter cage like a normal twin screwed boat at 0.5 to 0.6 knots. He said a propeller/motor unit costs around $20,000. He used Toshiba Model VFS11-2037PME variable frequency motor controllers which cost about $1,600 each. | ||
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| + | These 8 foot diameter propellers are off the shelf equipment used for very efficient mixing in the waste-water treatment industry. One model gets 530 lbs of thrust off of 3.5 Hp. | ||
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| + | ===Flygt USA=== | ||
* [http://www.flygtus.com/115917.asp main Flygt mixer page]. | * [http://www.flygtus.com/115917.asp main Flygt mixer page]. | ||
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==Outboard motor== | ==Outboard motor== | ||
| − | These are noisy, not efficient at slow speeds, use a lot of gas, and probably not the best way to go for 24/7 thrusting. But for use just when near a port they could do fine. | + | These are noisy, not efficient at slow speeds, use a lot of gas, and probably not the best way to go for 24/7 thrusting. But for use just when near a port they could do fine. Also, as a backup to an efficient electric thruster they could be reasonable. |
==Trolling Motors== | ==Trolling Motors== | ||
| − | For up to about 300 lbs of thrust you can get electric trolling motors. | + | For up to about 300 lbs of thrust you can get electric trolling motors. Seems to be about [http://www.acoloca.com/fbs/Engines.htm#Electric%20Outboards 1 amp from a 12 volt battery for each 1 pound of thrust (so about 12 watts/lb-thrust)]. |
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| + | * [http://www.thornebros.com/muskie/trolling_equipment/minnkota_riptide_transom.html Minn Kota Riptide 101 lbs thrust for $649] - salt water trolling motor people seem to like | ||
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| + | * [http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/home.html Torqeedo] is a high-quality electric outboard from Germany. Some versions include a Lithium Ion battery pack. Range from 40 to 121 pounds of thrust. Expensive, but compact and energy dense due to the Lithium Ion. Not really meant to be trolling motors but as replacements for small outboards, so maybe doesn't belong in this section. West Marine sells. | ||
==Ship Thrusters== | ==Ship Thrusters== | ||
| − | Big ships have electric or hydraulic thrusters to ease up to a pier. These might be reasonable for a seastead thruster. | + | Big ships have electric or hydraulic thrusters to ease up to a pier. For example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_thruster bow thrusters]. These might be reasonable for a seastead thruster. |
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| + | Small ships can also use electric thrusters. Yachts for example may use ones like [http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=40 these from Lewmar]. The 12 to 24 volt models that West Marine sells which range in price from $1,500 to $6,600 with horsepower from 3 to 14.5 and thrust from 92 to 550 pounds. | ||
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| + | ==Azimuth Thruster== | ||
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| + | Some ships use large [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_thruster azimuth thrusters]. Not clear these come in small enough sizes for seastead use. | ||
==Starter motor on outboard motor== | ==Starter motor on outboard motor== | ||
The electric starter motor on a gasoline outboard motor has enough power to turn the prop with significant push (Vince has done this when there was no gas getting to the engine). So it might be reasonable to convert an old engine to electric only use. | The electric starter motor on a gasoline outboard motor has enough power to turn the prop with significant push (Vince has done this when there was no gas getting to the engine). So it might be reasonable to convert an old engine to electric only use. | ||
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| + | ==Outboard motor converted to electric== | ||
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| + | Some electric boats have used outboard motors converted to electric by removing the internal combustion engine and bolting an electric motor in its place. The motor mounts vertically via an adapter plate. This leverages the cost advantages of mass-produced outboard motor parts. Electric motors are like those used for small electric cars. | ||
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| + | Here's a [http://www.qis.net/~jmgraham/rr500.htm professional conversion] that includes a duct for better efficiency, and a [http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/etekoutboard.html homemade conversion]. | ||
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| + | ==Hybrid Systems== | ||
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| + | [http://regennautic.com/products/hybrid-power/ Regen Nautic] makes a complete hybrid system with electric thrusters, batteries, controllers, generators, etc. | ||
Latest revision as of 09:57, 3 February 2012
At the slow speeds most expect seasteads to go at propeller efficiency issues will require large slow propellers.
Contents
Mixers
Water treatment mixers or agitators could be used as thrusters. A google search for mixers.
On 1.5 kw a 1 meter propeller gets 1780 lbs thrust.
Mixers used in mobile aquaculture experiment
Cliff Goudey used some slow speed mixers to make a self propelled aquaculture cage which was tested near Puerto Rico. Some nice video of the propellers on the cage. These mixers can produce thrust of 3.4 kN/760 lbs from power input of 4.6 kW/6.2 hp. With two of these mounted in fixed positions he was able to control the 62 foot diameter cage like a normal twin screwed boat at 0.5 to 0.6 knots. He said a propeller/motor unit costs around $20,000. He used Toshiba Model VFS11-2037PME variable frequency motor controllers which cost about $1,600 each.
These 8 foot diameter propellers are off the shelf equipment used for very efficient mixing in the waste-water treatment industry. One model gets 530 lbs of thrust off of 3.5 Hp.
Flygt USA
- main Flygt mixer page.
- slow speed mixers - larger diameters and most efficeint
- compact mixers - smaller diameters and cheaper
Outboard motor
These are noisy, not efficient at slow speeds, use a lot of gas, and probably not the best way to go for 24/7 thrusting. But for use just when near a port they could do fine. Also, as a backup to an efficient electric thruster they could be reasonable.
Trolling Motors
For up to about 300 lbs of thrust you can get electric trolling motors. Seems to be about 1 amp from a 12 volt battery for each 1 pound of thrust (so about 12 watts/lb-thrust).
- Minn Kota Riptide 101 lbs thrust for $649 - salt water trolling motor people seem to like
- Torqeedo is a high-quality electric outboard from Germany. Some versions include a Lithium Ion battery pack. Range from 40 to 121 pounds of thrust. Expensive, but compact and energy dense due to the Lithium Ion. Not really meant to be trolling motors but as replacements for small outboards, so maybe doesn't belong in this section. West Marine sells.
Ship Thrusters
Big ships have electric or hydraulic thrusters to ease up to a pier. For example, bow thrusters. These might be reasonable for a seastead thruster.
Small ships can also use electric thrusters. Yachts for example may use ones like these from Lewmar. The 12 to 24 volt models that West Marine sells which range in price from $1,500 to $6,600 with horsepower from 3 to 14.5 and thrust from 92 to 550 pounds.
Azimuth Thruster
Some ships use large azimuth thrusters. Not clear these come in small enough sizes for seastead use.
Starter motor on outboard motor
The electric starter motor on a gasoline outboard motor has enough power to turn the prop with significant push (Vince has done this when there was no gas getting to the engine). So it might be reasonable to convert an old engine to electric only use.
Outboard motor converted to electric
Some electric boats have used outboard motors converted to electric by removing the internal combustion engine and bolting an electric motor in its place. The motor mounts vertically via an adapter plate. This leverages the cost advantages of mass-produced outboard motor parts. Electric motors are like those used for small electric cars.
Here's a professional conversion that includes a duct for better efficiency, and a homemade conversion.
Hybrid Systems
Regen Nautic makes a complete hybrid system with electric thrusters, batteries, controllers, generators, etc.
